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FROM ORANGE CRUSH TO RED CRUSHED: NEW ONTARIO VOTE SPLITTING FAVOURS CONSERVATIVES – April 29, 2011

EKOS SEAT PROJECTION

From time to time, EKOS offers seat projections based on its opinion polling. The projections are based on national, regional, and, in some cases, sub-regional polling projected onto the results of the last election. They do not pretend to predict individual ridings.

[OTTAWA – April 29, 2011] In an interesting development, as the Conservative Party’s overall margin over the NDP has shrunk to a mere five points, the newfound parity of the NDP and Liberal Party in Ontario appears to have produced significant benefits in terms of seat returns. So while the Conservatives have lost ground to the NDP and have remained flat in Ontario, the new tie between Liberals and NDP in Ontario is causing vote splitting that has elevated the Conservative Party’s prospects. While they have remained under 40 points in Ontario, they would now be ticketed to receive the lion’s share of Ontario seats with less than two-fifths of its votes. With 61 of Ontario’s 106 seats, the Conservatives are now projected to win 146 seats. This means that they would basically reproduce their current number of MPs although their caucus would be a dramatically different Ontario-based government. The vote splitting also would reduce the joint total of NDP and Liberal seats (109 and 42, respectively) to 151, which is shy of the 155 needed to have a majority.

At these numbers, the prospects of deposing the CPC would be much lower. In fact, with 146 seats, the Conservatives may well be in the range of a secure minority and even though they are down significantly from their position in the polls last election, they are only 9 seats shy of majority. In one final piece of irony, the Liberal collapse may mean that a diminished Conservative performance may yield their elusive majority. The final weekend, particularly in Ontario, will determine what happens but it is conceivable that the Conservatives could back into a majority with just slightly more than one-third of the overall votes. It is hard to imagine what impact this would have on the Canadian public’s view of its first past the post system.

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42 comments to FROM ORANGE CRUSH TO RED CRUSHED: NEW ONTARIO VOTE SPLITTING FAVOURS CONSERVATIVES – April 29, 2011

  • Dave Y

    Where is your regional breakdown?

  • Johan G.

    Well, even if they win the most ridings, the NDP will still take them away from a majority with the supplementary seats.

  • MB

    About time for Proportional Representation?

  • Gone Fishing

    While I agree with the sentiment of the poll I still say that the NDP numbers are a little high and I am very uncertain where they will settle out.

    The Orange Crush is real but I offer three reasons it won’t be as dominating as this seat projection suggests

    1) There is virtually no GOTV team in Quebec where the NDP has made it’s biggest surge. It may not hold back a ton of seats but in the close ones the other parties have too much expereince getting out the vote to lose to an amateur hour effort. Not to say there is no team on the ground in Quebec but to say it is not as big a team and the many who are abandoning the Bloc may do what sovereignists do before they had a Bloc to vote for, they stay home instead of switch allegiance.

    2) Ontario has not cracked and that is the nut that will break the NDP effort. If anything I think there is a second shift of support to the Conservatives from disenchanted Blue Grit Liberals who are being lost in the shuffle during this disaster. The Liberal party was once chock full of slightly right of centre voters who will not allow a full scale migration to the left and could quietly come out swinging on election day to avoid a second socialist experiement in Canada’s most populous province.

    3) The most important demographics to win are 1) older voters 2) male voters and 3) home owners. These are the three groups that routinely vote and not only that. Make sure they vote. I see no polling to support the older and male shift to Jack and am not aware of any that shows anything for home owners but every riding I am driving through the lawn signs on homes are not orange.

    My call is a slightly improved CPC between 148 and 158 seats
    A strong NDP opposition at 85 seats.
    More Bloc 20-30
    LIberals are the wild card. whether they stay away, turn to the right or left is the question of the next two days and I see no compelling evidence any way on that group.

  • Ken Carpenter

    I do hope that thoughtful and informed voters will still consider voting strategically in key ridings.
    Consider how unfair it would be – indeed revolting – if the Conservatives were to get a majority of the seats with a mere 35% of the vote!

  • Holding our noses

    My wife and I have always voted conservative. In fact the first Prime Minister we voted for was John Diefenbaker, and I can still remember the foot prints they pained on the sidewalks with the words “Follow John”. At that time the party was called the Progressive Conservatives. But now it’s been taken over by the Alliance and Reform Party and no longer the Conservatives we once knew.

    But there is no other choice on the right. So we are going to hold our noses and vote for Harper despite the fact that neither of us want him as Prime Minister. Normally my wife and I would never consider voting for anyone found in contempt of parliament, and lied or hid the truth from the public. Certainly John Deifenbaker, had his faults, not to mention the Bowmark Missles shinnanigance, but he was far more upstanding than the crowd that makes up the Conservative Party of today.

    We just can’t bring ourselves to voting for the Liberals, let alone the NDP. Our only alternative is to stay home and that’s not in us either.

  • Tom

    Is there any sense that in Ontario ridings where Liberals were in a close race with an incumbent Tory or challenging Tory, that voters are switching their votes to the NDP?
    I would find it hard to imagine that that’s the case. I would imagine that the first concern for those Liberal voters would be to defeat the local Tory, in which case the polls are indicating a complete collapse of Liberal support in ridings where Liberals are not competitive.

  • Ken McMillan

    If the Conservatives get a majority it will be a very sad day for Canada. Think of what we will lose: our traditional role as a peace keeper; generic drugs to aids infected Africa; pension protection needed due to corporate receivership; national housing strategy; environmental leadership; and conciliatory efforts to have a minority government work.
    Being a retiree, and looking for policies that deal with issues of concern to me, I am voting NDP.

  • Steve C.

    It is interesting to see that the NDP train is rolling at full speed. This weekend they could gain even more. Where is that in the projection? Good luck.

  • Naveed

    It is very important now to vote strategically IN ONTARIO. The main thing is to prevent Harper from getting his majority, and indeed to diminish his minority if he is prevented from the former scenario.
    The only way to do this is to vote for the Liberals if they have the chance to defeat your local candidate in your riding. And to vote NDP if the candidate has the best chance to defeat the Conservative.

    Do not split the votes in Ontario. Prevent Harper from getting less seats in Ontario, and the election will go towards an NDP coalition government.

    So its all important, vote strategically in Ontario all you folks who want Harper defeated from his objectives.

  • Naveed

    sorry I should have said Prevent Harper from getting MORE seats in Ontario!

  • Naveed

    Holding our noses (the reader contributor above), you owe yourself as thoughtful, caring voters NOT to vote for Stephen Harper and the Conservatives. Consider that you will be doing so against your consciences (given that you admit that he has lied and hidden the truth from the public). You will be voting for Harper contrary to your moral standards.

    Just due to the fact that you have been Conservative voters in the past for more decent Conservative leaders, does not follow that you should blindly put your (x) on a person whom you acknowledge does not deserve to get in.

    If you have such qualms against the leftist parties, just refrain from voting. Its the honourable thing to do. Or vote Liberal, they are actually much closer in a few ways to the past Joe Clark Conservatives than is the Harper government. Do you know that Joe Clark voted liberal in this election (for Scott Brison in his riding)?

  • CHD

    Holding our noses said:
    “Normally my wife and I would never consider voting for anyone found in contempt of parliament, and lied or hid the truth from the public.”
    and:
    “We just can’t bring ourselves to voting for the Liberals, let alone the NDP. Our only alternative is to stay home and that’s not in us either.”
    If (Progressivs?) Conservative have to vote for such a government, which will only get much much worse (effectively a dictatorship by 2015?) if Steven Harper gets a majority, because they cannot stay home, this country of Canada has reached a new and frightening low.
    Is there no Libertarian candidate in your riding that you could vote for?
    Have you considered spoiling your ballots by writing in “none of the above” (which will still count you as having voted)?
    With hope.

  • Mehdi

    I thought I see a day like this in 20 years. Canadians are starting to understand that NDP government doesn’t mean a Communist government and NDP’s policies doesn’t mean the destruction of country, crushing the economy and changing Canada to another Soviet Union. Hope to see a Majority NDP government in the near future.

  • I completely agree with Naveed,

    We must reduce the number of conservative seats in parliament, hopefully this will promote an NDP lead and give Canada what it deserves. A government FOR the people.

    I would love to see a government that brings back our troops, and puts money in our retirement funds instead of giving bonuses to the CEO’s of big companies. The NDP is getting my vote, they are very close to a minority government. And with Layton at the helm, Canada will prosper!

  • Neil

    Folks please have a think about what you are saying…We know Jack about Jack. I’ve met him, nice man and he’s not rude – but he’ll steal your future if he has political power. Guaranteed. He’s actually already promised it.

    Thus far he has promised to:
    1) Raise consumption taxes (GST/HST)
    2) Raise gas prices (your rich right? You make more than $30,000 a year correct?)
    3) Impose Carbon Taxes at the pump
    4) Impose a Cap and Trade Policy (economic disaster)
    5) Re-Open the Constitutional debate with Quebec (Why do you think all the Sovereigntists are voting for him???)
    6) Mused about shutting down the Oil Sands

    He is a disaster in a box. Vote whatever, do not vote for massage parlour Jack….

  • J.R. Stark

    While I appreciate and laud the increased involvement of so many in the political process, the increased support for the appeasers who would pretend to lead our nation is dismaying. From our military’s efforts over many decades and in many conflicts, it should be apparent there is no tradition of peacekeeping. That moniker is naive at best, and deplorably ignorant at worst. Someone had to first make peace and establish security before we could enjoy the freedoms we do. Consider Palestine for a moment: in the midst of collapsing Arab nations, why does this most volatile of areas remain relatively unscathed? And moreover, with a new West Bank / Gaza reconciliation pact in the offing? Sheer chance? Jack and Iggy’s best wishes from afar? Not bloody likely. Some small effort on your part to research will reveal increased Palestinian security through, you guessed it, the efforts of a multi-national military and civil service effort — with Canada playing a major role — to effect the reform of the Palestinian security sector. The result? Kids no longer afraid to walk to school, new investment, the expansion of civil society. No of course its not perfect, but its a damn sight better than five years ago, and getting better, and thanks to a Conservative government not afraid to lend a hand to solving perhaps the greatest conflict of the last two millenia. So, back to the election at hand and the choices before us. Stay at home? Fight to the last American? Or continue our Canadian civil and military tradition of helping others establish societies that enjoy the same freedoms we do. Just like Chretien who cancelled the EH 101 helicopter contract, Ignatieff would cancel a military contract to gain your short-sighted vote and thereby incur billions more in cancelled contract fees. And Layton would have us all stay home and clean oil off ducks while letting the rest of the world go to hell. No the Conservative Party and Harper aren’t perfect, but they make the hard decisions just as conservatives have always done. Mulroney once said, and I paraphrase: “You may not like me, but if you like the general direction of my Party, then consider voting Conservative.” Well I for one have considered the choices for this election, and out of respect for those — military and civilian — who have, and continue to, put themselves in harm’s way for a better world, am voting Conservative.

  • Jerome

    In 1993, the Progressive Conservatives were second in popular vote, but ended up with two (2) seats.
    Too much is being read into the popular vote numbers.

  • Steve C.

    Well said, Layton is the only choice for me. He has shown a transparency that the other two lack. Heck with splitting the votes etc, just vote for Layton and lets go for the whole shabang! This country needs a wake up call in government that has lost its focus for the good of the common folk. Not well worded but you got the idea. Let`s do it!!

  • Fred Johnson

    Thank God for Smiling Jack taking Iggy down. The vote splitting in Ontario will propel the Tories in for a well-deserved majority. Jack and Iggy as potential leaders are jokes compared to the current PM. And thanks to the pollster / MSM hype over the last week or two that has very much helped create the conditions for the period of calm and good governance that will follow under Stephen Harper. We Canadians have had enough of the NDP socialist wannabe BS and preening pretensions of the moribund Liberals. Onward!

  • Lorne

    I agree with Naveed. The latest polls confirm that Ontario is the key to this election. In the east the Conservatives might pick up a seat or two but they are likely to lose the same or even more in Quebec. They cant pick up any in Alberta or Saskatchewan ( perhaps Edmonton but not likely given the NDP surge) and they may gain some but lose others in BC. So the election will be decided in Ontario. Their percentage vote is down and they should not be able to make up the difference here but the splits may favour them if the NDP surge takes votes away from the Liberals. That is why as Naveed said we in Ontario should vote strategically. Go to Projectdemocracy.ca to see where the key ridings are and if you are in one of them consider voting to prevent Harper from getting his majority.

  • Johnnny

    Congrats to Mr. Layton.

    However, my prediction os the NDP will receive 25% or so. Their demographic profile is not a positive for voting.

    The Conservatives will not lose many ridings but pick up some ‘splits’.

    Conservatives 152 seats. NDP 75 or so.

  • Bob

    If the NDP comes 2nd the coalition is dead. The back room Liberals will not allow their party to play second fiddle to a NDP led P.M. & NDP led government.That would be providing a whip for their own backsides,and further losses to the NDP in future elections.

  • Laurie O

    We as Canadians need a party that is truly democratic.
    The first party that says: “The elected members of our party, will be free to vote in parliament in a way that represents and reflects their constituents” will get my vote.
    A country governed by leaders who restrict and dictate to their members that party lines decide the outcome of issues is no way a democratic party. It is called a dictatorship. It is time to cut the strings of the puppeteers, and to listen to the voices of Canada’s people through the process of democracy.
    No more dictated votes with threats of political suicide to those who dare oppose such tactics in an elaected democracy.

    Are you listening out there? all you journalist who are looking for a new angle, Surely freedom of the press still exists in Canada.

    Tell those would be dictators to offer to the people a party who will let its elected members decide what my beautiful Canada should be a REAL DEMOCRACY.

  • Cezar

    The goal of the democracy is the majority to decide.
    And the goal of the elections is to find who is the majority, not to find who is the party or the candidate with most votes.

    I can’t understand why we don’t have a second vote between the first 2 candidates in the ridings where the first candidate had less than 50%.

    Because of the actual system, there are a lot of candidates (mostly conservatives) who are elected without having the backing of the majority of the voters). If they would have to pass a second vote between them and the second ranked candidate, a lot of them would not pass. Because for the majority of the voters the question now is “Conservative or not conservative?” and is less important if it’s NDP or Liberal (not for all the voters but for the majority of them).

    So, because of the system who frequently don’t respect the will of the majority in the ridings, now the conservatives obtain the most number of seats. And more than that, having the most number of seats they pretend the other parties don’t have the right to govern even if a coalition of other parties would represent a majority of seats and even more clearly a majority of votes.

    I think what we need is not a proportional system, but we absolutely need a second vote in the ridings were the first candidate have less than 50%.
    And also, if after the elections the first party have less than 50% of the seats, his leader should not be automatically prime minister, the prime minister should be elected by the Parliament. What the GG have to do here?.

    We should never forget what the democracy means, that the majority should decide, and if a party or a candidate have less than 50% of the votes, being in the first place in the rankings doesn’t mean much. It only means that theoretically they have more chances to be part of a coalition representing a majority, nothing more (even if Harper tries to manipulate us by sustaining the contrary).

    If not, we have only a half-democratic system.

  • Naveed

    I have never been a supporter of the NDP, but in the circumstances I have to acknowledge that a coalition led Jack Layton government would be something to celebrate. Anything to rescue us from the very dangerous and adverse regime of Stephen Harper and his Conservatives, particularly in a majority possibility. There would be no holding him back from his intent to change the basis of our society as we know it by his extreme right wing ideology.

    I still think a Liberal government under Ignatieff is the best option, and that the Liberals have the most balanced and favourable policies for average Canadians.
    But I am a realistic Liberal, and given the current polls with only two days to go until election day, I acknowledge that the NDP is now perhaps going to stop Harper from total power. (either that or by splitting votes, help him achieve it!). But I acknowledge that the NDP is the next best option, after Liberals, and vastly preferable to any sort of Harper government.

    Again voting strategically against the Conservatives is the best thing, and in fact the only thing to do.

  • Wes

    Being in the perennially blue province of Alberta I have not, for many years, voted for the elected candidate… 🙁

    What I hope for after this election is that both the Liberal and Conservative parties replace their leaders.

    Since we seem to be looking at another Conservative minority government I think that the best thing that can come of that is for the NDP to be the official opposition, with Iggy and Harper being replaced by their parties. If we are lucky both parties would end up with leaders that Canadians can trust and that are actually trustworthy.

    My vote was Green, in hopes that the Green party matures into a solid party for the fiscally conservative and socially/environmentally conscientious. At least my vote can server to finance, in some small way, improving governance in the future.

  • Arbiter of Truth

    The fact that John (Jack) Layton was found naked in a common bawdy house will hopefully result in Canadians realizing that this man is not fit for government!

  • I am dismayed. I read here that an honest and honorable conservative voter will consider voting in a man he knows to be a lier and despiser of Parliament. I remember how shocked I was when Harper in Parliament that a coalition government would be illegal (as opposed to “unwise” or “unstable”). He knew differently and had, in fact, tried to manoeuvre to set up just such an arrangement of his own in the past. He lied and knew that he lied and he did it on the floor of the House of Commons. Now his government is “in contempt of Parliament.” And not enough people seem to care. Did you know that the current communications policy in the Canadian government is to delete wherever possible references to the “Canadian Government” and to replace them with these words: “the Harper Government.” If that doesn’t scare you, it should. I don’t know how I am going to go on living with the two-thirds of Canadians who, because our system is deeply flawed, are allowed to vote in a government ideologically committed to destroying everything I hold dear: a just country, where education is publicly supported, health is a right for everyone and not just the rich, where guns are not a public right, where we are not engaged in futile overseas war and where prisons are small and few in an era of steeply declining violent crime. And most of all, where the institutions of Parliament are respected, its regulations obeyed and its traditions honoured. I have read Harper’s speeches before he became prime minister. They are full of references to how much he despises the “Canadian way.” He sees our compassionate society as the realm of losers. He wants to destroy it and install in its place a more aggressive, competitive and altogether more American system. Look to the south. America is failing, as the recent recession shows; Canada is thriving, a leader and model of what a better world might look like. Go ahead. Google the words: Harper, Americanization, Canada. Read it and weep.

  • LadyGeraldine

    Forget it. Conservative majority. And it will be the best result for Canada. It will save the Liberal Party. Canada is not about Taliban Jack Chavez Layton. It will always be strong and FREE.

    Layton is laden with explaining his expense account as well as his wife’s expense account. They are disproportionately higher than even the Prime Minister’s expense account. And no audit is allowed. Not fair to tax payers. Are we paying for his ” massages.”

  • Marco Bernardo

    Great job to you and your team Mr. Graves. Your insight is very interesting.

    I was wondering what your thoughts were regarding the following:

    It has been reported that polling is based on voters with landlines. If the majority of young voters are mobile users and most of them are center-left leaning then do you feel that given the smaller gap between the NDP and the Conservatives that the youth vote will push the NDP on top on voting day?

    Just how large is the pool of young voters (I guess under 30 years?) who have not been reflected in the polls because they use mobile phones instead of landlines?

    Does the increased turn-out for the advanced pools suggest an increase in voter turn-out on election day? Does it suggest an increased turn-out in the youth vote?

    Thank you and kind regards,
    Marco

  • Patrick

    I have a prediction that by Monday some of the people most scared of an outcome they fear most will vote. (for ehichever party they consider safe)

    I believe in the last day or so the NDP has slid back about 3 points mainly because in places where soem voters fear an NDP gov’t even more than Harper anything are going to vote to shore up Conservative numbers. A poll is only a snapshot and we must project where that snapshot falls on Monday – not today or last Thursday.

    In Alberta/Sask where losing the elction was not in their imagination a couple of weeks ago voters will probably vote to make sure Harper stays. 60% is a huge poll number in the praries. In Quebec there are about 20 BQ ridings with actual support people on the ground that will survive and probably 5 of the most popular conservatives have resources to get out the vote. What is lacking is consensus in anti-Conservative and anti-Bloc voters of who to support and often those choices are not locally known.

    Say what you want about Conservative votes being weaker they are if nothing very efficient. NDP will grow in Toronto but there will be large pockets of blue gains in Ontario based only on old Bob Rae fear. Liberals have no momentum and are trying to keep what they can – they will lose seats to both the other parties. The most interesting vote dynamic this country has ever seen.

    155 Con
    101 NDP
    29 LIB
    20 BQ
    1 IND

  • SaveUsFromHappyJack

    Mehdi: I think the real issue here is that many Canadians have been seduced by Jack’s winning personality into overlooking the policies of his party which include raising taxes almost across the board (Cap & Trade = Trickle down taxes on EVERYTHING) in order to finance the NDP platform. The lack of experience on the NDP bench is shocking! While it is clear we may well be looking at an NDP official opposition, I shudder to think of them actually holding the reins of power until their ideology and passion has been tempered by knowledge and experience.

  • Naveed

    saveusfromhappyjack, I acknowledge that not everyone has looked at the NDP policies in depth, or costed them (most Canadians never imagined that the NDP would have the possibility of maybe forming government!).
    However NDP has been governing provincially in Canadian politics over past years, and mostly with success. Yes I know everyone brings up the Bob Rae NDP Ontario governance as an example to the contrary, but there have been other notable provincial governments in other provinces (those of Roy Romonav or Gary Doer, for example).
    The NDP therefore may not have had experience on the Federal level yet, but they are no stranger to governing. When you come down to it, if they secure power now this would give them any additional experience, and the important factor to remember is that ANYTHING is better than a Stephen Harper led government (especially if it were to be a majority). Just the plain fact that (an NDP) government would be fair, honest and sincere and concerned for the plight of its citizens as opposed to the lies, ant-democracy and hypocrisy of the Harper regime—means that we should be happy with the NDP.
    Furthermore all the fear-mongering about the NDP is mostly groundless. This is not an extreme socialist party any more, but more pragmatic and willing to compromise. Taxes will not be raised across the board, but only against large corporations, there is no boogie-man here. Except for Stephen Harper.

  • Jess Ewles

    Worried? Visit http://www.projectdemocracy.ca/ to organize a vote drive.

  • Hamish Wilson

    This “jack fear” campaign is truly ridiculous. There is no real substance to it, so they either try to smear him, call him names, or spout “taxes, taxes, taxes” as if the word is somehow absolutely filthy. I do not think the finical mechanism that allows me to be assured health care in case of an emergency is dirty. I would rather pay taxes to public services than pay bills to large energy corporations. Which gives you more bang for your buck?

  • Mehdi

    SaveUsFromHappyJack: There is nothing wrong with paying higher taxes when you get something for it. unfortunately, during Harper’s government we are paying high taxes and the Americans are getting paid for it such as buying F-35, tax cuts to the big corporations, war on crime, etc and thank God Harper wasn’t the Pm when the Yankees went to war in Iraq. If Jack saves just these monies I mentioned above, he won’t even need to raise taxes for average Joe. Not to mention the money which the Conservatives are accused of misusing regarding the auditor general report.

  • Bill Schram

    I will not attempt to predict how many seats will be won by any party. Truly things are up in the air and could go in any direction. I have already voted for the NDP in my home riding and will assist voters to the polls tomorrow. I can only hope that I will not once again be horribly dissapointed by so many of my fellow Canadians who might vote for the right, instead of what is right for Canada. God bless all of us and protect us from the Conservatives.

  • SaveUsFromHappyJack

    Naveed: The federal NDP and their policies are not the same thing as the provincial organizations that use the same name. I am talking about the inexperience and lack of talent in the FEDERAL party. Roy Romonv and Gary Doer are not running federally, and while Bob Rae is, he’s a Liberal now and just counting the days until he can rebuild the party after Iggy is gone…

    Mehdi: If you really want to pay more taxes you can pay mine, but lease don’t make the rest of us pay extra taxes because you have too much money and no idea what to do with it all.

    I wish Stephen Harper was a warmer snugglier Conservative who had better people skills with his opposition but since the Liberals decided to position themselves as the same as the NDP (but with a less likable leader) there really is no better choice for fiscally conservative voters in this election.

    The one good thing about this orange crushes the increasing likelihood of vote splitting in Ontario that will let theConservatives the Conservatives come up through the middle and secure the ever elusive majority.

  • Tired of Conservative Fear Mongerers

    Wow! Protect us from the Conservatives, Protect us from a Stephen Harper majority… Yada Yada Yada.
    Why not protect us from a coalition with the Block? A Liberal scam, which was a 100 times worse than anything the conservatives have ever done! The NDP who would spend us back into the dark ages; with Happy Jack promising everything under the sun! (Not to mention the Bob Rae NDP government, which basically broke Ontario before it was over!!) How easily we forget…
    I know that Stephen Harper has cut my taxes for small business, and planned to cut the next tax rate as well… Meaning I get to keep a bit more of the money my business worked so hard to earn! Which in turn, I pump back into the economy by hiring more people!! AND, I know what to do with my money a lot better than ANY politician. Especially the corrupt Liberals and spend happy NDP!!!
    Stephen Harper is not perfect, but he managed to navigate through this recession without spending to the moon, on every whim/cry of the opposition. That is Leadership!
    Oh, and this Harper going to Afghanistan is wrong, he would have went to Iraq crap! Blow it out your ear!! Complaining about the F-35 jets… You would think we were buying thousands of them? (We are buying 60, to replace/compliment our aging F-18’s.) We do after all have a country to protect. Anyone who thinks this country would be safe without a deterrent is dreaming.
    Yes, cancel the fighter jets… Reminds me of Chretien canceling the helicopters… We still haven’t got them replaced, and we paid as much or more, for each cancelled helicopter at the end of the day; than if we had taken them. When we do finally get around to replacing them, what is it going to cost now?
    It’s okay to replace your car & equipment I guess… But the equipment the country runs on, lasts forever right?

  • Mehdi

    SaveUsFromHappyJack,
    I never said I have too much money as you claim, what I say is the people and corps that Stephen Harper is giving tax cuts should be paying more taxes. The society is much larger than just me and you or a few Americans whom Harper protects their investments by spending our taxes for their satisfaction or misspending the taxes as it is claimed to be the case in the auditor general report. The tax cut is good but to what degree and what expense? It is time for you to think about the society as whole instead of just your own individual advantage.

  • Rick

    Conservative Majority will now mean even less jobs, less money for education and students, less pensions for seniors…. and say goodbye forever to our Health care.
    A very Sad, sad day for Canada.